Why Does A Volkswagen Key Cost So Much?
This situation happens about once a month.
Customer calls in saying they lost the key or keys for their VW. We tell the customer they will need to show proof they own the vehicle. Then they will need to have the car towed to the dealer.
Once the key comes in, we will have to program the new key to the car. The cost of a new Volkswagen key, remote, and programming is about $300.
So why the heck does getting a new key for a Volkswagen cost $300? My guess is the little mechanism that lets the key flip out is made of some top secrete element. Maybe a derivative of Turbonium? Okay, obviously that is not the case. Before we talk about why it costs so much, let’s talk
about how the system works.
All VWs, and most every other newer car, are equipped with an anti-theft device that will prevent someone from “hot wring” the car. Volkswagen calls this system the Immobilizer. The car must see an authorized key, or it will not start. Well, on a VW, it will start and immediately shut off. ~FREE TIP, if your Vw start and shuts off right away, odd are you have an issue with the immobilizer system.
How It Works
There are 3 main components to the immobilizer system
- The vehicle’s key
- A “reader coil”
- An “evaluation unit”
The vehicle’s key has a chip inside of it called a transponder. It looks like a glass tic-tac. When you put the key into the ignition, the “reader coil” will energize the transponder in the key. Then the transponder will send a code back to the coil and on to the evaluation unit. If everyone is authorized, the evaluation unit will authorize the vehicle to start. If not, the car will start, or it will not stay running.
Now that we know how the system works, let’s get into the cost. Anytime there is electronics in something the cost will go up. These new keys are not like the old ones you could get cut at the local Ace Hardware. Also, most newer keys have the keyless entry remote built into it. That will bring the cost up.
The keys and remotes also need to programmed to the car, adding a little more to the cost. That requires the vehicle to be at the dealer. When I program keys, I have to hook up the VW scan tool. Then we go online and retrieve the proper coding for the car. I don’t get to see the code anymore, it is loaded right into the car. Each key for the vehicle will need to be programmed to work properly.
Is It All Worth it?
Is going to all this trouble to prevent vehicle theft worth it? I think so. It will deter amateurs from stealing cars. But let’s face it, if someone really wants to steal your car, they will steal it no matter what you do.
I also have another tip. The keys that you find on Ebay, or that weird store in the mall are JUNK! I would say that ~95% of the keys that customers bring in to be programmed do not work. It stinks for them because they don’t really save any money. It usually ends in the customer paying twice for programming, or buying a key from the dealer anyway. Just be cautious when dealing in non factory keys.
If you remember what “Turbonium” is, post it in the comments. I am wondering if everyone knows what it is.
Mine cans with a non flip VW key that doesn’t have a remote. All I can do it open doors. My dad once used it to start my car and was freaking out because it kept dying. Lol
It’s a valet key.
It opens doors but will not open trunk or back seats lock to trunk or glove compartment once locked.
What is the more expensive part of the key? Cutting the key or programming it? In my case I still have the key but would need new electronic bits inside. They stopped working for some reason. The guy I was speaking to at the dealership was telling me they would need to re-cut the key?? I don’t really understand why since I still have that portion.
@Ken, the key with cutting is the more expensive part. We charge about $50 for programming the key.
If it needs the part that allows the car to start, then you would need a new key. My dealer doesn’t cut keys, they will only order a pre-cut key. We have a key cutting machine, but none of the parts guys want to cut keys.
What is your email address or phone # please i need my key programed n i can’t afford to pay the dealer which they charge $300+ my number is 8134096128 text or call me please, father of 3
I have the same problem I have a valet key and no remote or fob that came with my car. Charles can u contact me also I don’t feel like spending 300 either on a stupid key 631-384-2836 thank you
I have a 2006 Passat and lost my key . Are you saying that the 300$ price is my only option and not to buy any of these 20$ key fobs I see online . You can call me at 916 578 1111 or email me At katbrat4@gmail
I am having the same issue right now with the same make and model.
how much do you want for the machine, plus frt ? zip 98026
You are crazy, key cost no more $ 20, programing simple, google it from you tube
If you bring your current working key fob in can a locksmith cut and program a key a new key
Can you call or text me my number is 785)532-8408 and where are you located
Can you just get the transponder replaced? I know it will still have to be programmed to the car or will I have to get a whole new fob?
Charles, can you contact me about a 2007 VW Rabbit keys
Where are you locatef i always need keys
SOS I’m here to join the VW Passat key loser club 🙁 I have an ‘02 Passat & lost my key. Ok now what to do ??
I think I need a key program for my Volkswagen I got a new battery 2032 but it still doesn’t work I am baffled what is going on there’s no way I could afford to go to a dealer on top of it have my car towed please advise me on what I can do I’m in Bristol Wisconsin thank you
If you could help me or advise me please contact me at 872-801-3875 thank you
Jaime, my fob stopped working(09 cc). Put new 2032 battery in & still didn’t work. I got QD Electronic Cleaner at harbor freight for around $7. Sprayed the inside of remote, make sure battery is out. Leave open & battery out for 10-15 minute. Replace battery, put fob together & it worked like new. Hope this helps.
Turbonium is the element that makes up and propels the second generation turbo beetle.
YES!!! Thank you Matt!
You still have the 2010 vw cc key fobs forsale I need a extra key I only have one what do a the price?
Are there alternatives to this? I have a 2010 Jetta and it came with two key fobs and a valet key … all of the keys work fine to unlock the doors and start the car the old fashioned way. Both of the fobs have quit working to unlock the doors, pop the trunk, or set off the panic alarm remotely though. I’ve replaced the batteries in both and still no remote love. Do I really have to replace the entire unit and have it re-programmed?
You can try and get them reprogrammed before replacing them .
It’s strange that both of them stopped working.
Don’t feel alone, both of my remote keys for Jetta quit working…the usual, replaced the batteries at the dealership…problem fixed, hell no…remotes still don’t work! I’m having the fob replaced on one set and it’s costing me $200+ to have this done…time to change auto brands!
Hi I lost my car key car is volkswagon golf 1999.
So what would be price.
It depends on whether you get the full flip key or the mechanic key. Generally they run $250-$350 depending on the dealership
I have a 1999 tdi bug I bought it from a wrecking company. They had a mechanics lean tittle on the car
I did a tittle transfer and the tittle is in my name now. It also has a bad engine i am swaping the engine out of my wrecked 2001 bug But I don’t have any keys for the 1999 bug. How can I get a key do I have to go to the dealer
Can u please help me also with this code I need as I’ve had an ex steal my keys aND he knows I cant afford to pay 300 either my number is 5403889271 thanks so much.
I lost my key and I need new one Jetta 2014 I’m Yuma
Great site. I have one 2004 VW Jetta key working fine, in Bayside, NY, with VIN, access to lots of dealers and key places. So I want the least expensive way to have two (or even better, three) total, as the car is only 60K and runs really, really good. Although I am always listening for a little turbocharger push that is not there :). Have owned it 1 1/2 years and very impressed, especially for city and suburban driving, tight, maneuverable, reliable and small for parking. While I don’t care about remote entry, I gather there is little benefit in bypassing any features.
Keylessride.com wants me to have two, if only one I need to take it to a shop after receiving (I will call those guys tomorrow).
I know there are a few options here. Can you recommend one or two as the best? Absolute cheapness is not the only factor, I would like a one-pass solution that is likely to work, and I don’t mind stopping here or there for programming.
Locksmiths can also cut and program these keys or make duplicates for you . We get our keys from strattec who actually manufactures the factory key blanks for most automotive companies including vw . Since we deal directly with this company our costs on the key are lower and we can cut them immediately with our own machines . We carry both factory with the logo and “aftermarket” or the same exact key without the logo which costs less. We can program these to the vehicle also if you break a part of the vw fob it is repairable since the key is actually three seperate pieces which consist of the key blade, the remote or fob and the transponder piece . The other alternative is the valet key which we can cut to work the same as the other key but still contains the transponder so it can be programed to start the vehicle also. Locksmiths prices go between $95 to $200 for the keys depending on which key you want . And as far as repairing the key we can do that for $15 to $100 depending on which part of the fob is broken
Where are you located?
can you give me contact info in Raleigh I need a key for a 2010 Passat
Can you contact me?
Can u contact me at email@example.com
Charles, please contact me about an ’09 Jetta key. Thanks, Jay
can you program a 2009 VW Jetta if I provide the proper info for ownership – or do i need to go to a dealer? I cannot find my only key and it is driving me insane!!!
I need to fabricate 1 2002 passat 2.8 car key with remote control.I have a spare that only open/close and start but engine will not stay on.how much it cost and what i need to do to get it a new key. Please advice.
My son lost his one and only 2013 passat key. His car is stranded. Can you help
Hi I have a 2011 Volkswagen Jetta and the key got stuck in the ignition. I got it out but the key broke off from the fob. The key itself is still in tact but it’s separated from the fob Can you help me with replacing it? Thank you!
We can also make keys if all keys were lost completely
The question is “where is Anthony and how can one contact him to get keys made?
talk to me… i Need a key! 2009 VW Jetta
Can I order a key for my 2001 New Beetle? I am in CA and what is the cost?
I need a key programmed, can I send it to you and have you do it????
I am looking for a spare key to just open the drivers door in an emergency and have a second set of spare keys hidden inside. I own a 2013 VW Beetle with standard flip key ignition. Any help will be appreciated.
You can get a key cut for that. It will not start your car, but should do what you want. I like to think it would be cheap.
Or you can buy a key from Vw and just not have it programmed.
How much is a key fob for 2000 VW Beetle???
I just need a spare key for my 2010 jetta and do not want to pay the dealer 300 bucks any ideas I have a key that works fine just would hate to loose it , which I am very capable of doing.
You can have one cut and not programmed. It will do you no good to start the car, but if you lock your keys in it you’re wgood.
Sadly car makers have us all over a barrel.
The keys for VW’s and Audi’s seem expensive until you compare them to some of the other european makes.. BMW wants an arm and a leg, Mercedes wants both arms and a leg.. So the VAG group isn’t all that bad… A good locksmith can duplicate and program a flat key or a flip key to most 2000-2005 VW’s with no problems.. After 2005 VAG went to a little different immobilizer system. 2000-2001 cars had a chip in the key that the car would accept when you introduced it to the car, 2002- 2005 cars would accept the key chip, but also mark the chip with info so you can’t reuse the chip on another car. 2005-2009 cars need to have the chip in the key preprogrammed with the component protection data from the car before you can ask the car to accept it. 2009-2013 use the same system but with a different controller chip in the cars immobilizer box. The keys have come down in price, but you are still looking at a higher price than a Ford or GM key and remote.. Sorry, that’s just the way it is.. If you call a locksmith and they tell you only the dealer can do that, find another locksmith…
PS, we sell a plastic or metal copy of 1998-2013 that you can put into a key hider for as little as $15.00 and the stick on velcro key hider for $5.00.. It will open the door, but not start the car. We have a lot of outdoor enthusiasts here in the great northwest and they love these..
We’re can I get one of the plastic or metal hideakeys…contact me @ firstname.lastname@example.org. I have an 02 jetta tdi
I have an ’02 Jetta too.
You don’t need a special key hider – you can make your own by buying an extra strong magnet at a hardware store and putting in a tin – an Altoids tin or whatever is big enough to hold your key.
email me please I need a key
Just bought a 2011 Tiguan which came with just one key. Yep $300 for a spare at the local VW dealer… “bollocks to that.” What if I just take the chip out of my one good key fob and glue it to the ring containing the reader coil… then just get a bunch of cheap dumb keys cut … would that work? I’d still have the good fob for remote access for the Mrs and the kids would all have dumb keys.
Just asking ???
You can do that. That is how aftermarket remote start systems bypass the immob system. The issue is, it bypasses the immob system.
I would NOT recommend doing this if you have KESSY. That will most likely kill the battery and prevent you from locking the car.
what is “kessy”
Sorry, never mind, a quick search told me the answer.
P.S I have a 2002 Eurovan and only 1 key left so I ordered 2 (non remote as they are unavailable) off ebay only cost 5$ to get them cut and locksmith told me to take chip out and tape to steering column.
That is what they do when they add remote start. It works great, but it defeats the immobilizer system.
Charles…can you contact me about a 2001 VW Jetta key? email@example.com
HELP! My son lost the last key to my 2001 VW Cabrio. Paid for two VIN keys. Neither one worked but did open trunk. Told it was the ignition so $850. Worked before key was lost, so towed to another dealer, called VW USA to help. Now, $1800 because they claim I rekeyed the entire car which is insane!!! I bought it brand new. Can’t find a locksmith here (Boston) to help. So now I have to throw my car away???
I’m about to cry.
Before junking your car, I suggest you phone Commonwealth Volkswagen in Lawerence, Mass. Tell them your VIN and find out what they can do for you. I think that their prices may be more reasonable than those in Boston.
A second thought. Use Google Maps to find Auto Electric in Boston. Talk to them about your problem before taking car to them. They might even be able to replace immobilizer and keys from an ” auto grave yard”.
Silly question…is there any way to track down lost VW key remotes? Wishful thinking…
Sadly no. But it is silly car makers do not have that built in. No reason not to. The technology is out there
What it you need a new key for your volkswagen and you live over seas where there is no volks wagen dealer what to do then
Yikes, that is something I have never ran into. Might be best to call a local dealer. Is the car with you?
I have a 2000 jetta the last owner loose the. Keys she brought a key from vw dealer can some one help me find some one that can come a and reprogram the car the car is immobilized mode I m located mmoncure nc like 15 min from apex tors
i just lost my car key VW 2010 passat..how will i get another key through your company.
Your best bet is calling the local dealership.
Thanks for your suggestion Charles, but of the thirty odd dealerships he owns… I shall be very careful to NOT buy anything else from them.
Do you have any other suggestions?
Thank you… from New Mexico
I have a question, I have a 2003 VW Jetta and I only a 1 key. Unfounately on the remote the silver hook broke so it cannot catch on any rings. I just bought another key off of Ebay and would like to try and get it keyed and programmed. I live in Illinois, do you now by chance know where there is a reasonable place to go or could I send it to you and could you do it for me.
I would just program the remote. You can swap them onto the old key.
If you get the new key cut, you can do the 2 key method to program the remote.
I think they make little holders that hold the key and have a hook.
However, you should have more than one key anyway, for sure.
I have a 2001 New Beetle and lost the key to the trunk. It is different from the key to the ignition. What is the cost to get a new key made? I live on an island where there are no VW dealerships.
You may be better off working with a local lock smith.
Just bought 2011 VW jetta from dealership. After all paperwork is signed and cash paid for entire vehicle we go to leave and theu claim cant find 2nd key but will search it down and call. Now since they cant find it they ate trying to force be to buy one
On principle alone now after being lied to (by the way car stopped running after less than 3 weeks ownership and is in their shop cause under warranty) I now really refuse to get 2nd key from them. So how much to get one And a valet key from you?
Any hehp is greatly appreciated! You are right they definitely have us over a barrel.
Sorry about the poor spelling from fat fingering
I wrote above about my looking for one for a 2004 Jetta. All the internet possibilities led to very little that was helpful.
Some of the local lock shops could not do it, but I found two that are excellent. The I had used before on stuff in Nassau, Able, was about $110 and the one in Queens, ABC was even better at $90. This is programmed, without the remote, and looks nice. Little or no discount for doing two.
So I would say just call around and try to find a reputable shop that is around $100. However, I don’t know if 2011 is any different than 2004.
Saw this video again and it made me laugh… There is one more way these remote keys fail.. Too much junk hung on the end of them… I don’t like to group people together, but I have had 4 or 5 customers wanting me to warranty a flip key.. The hinge or chrome loop had broken off… All of these were teenage girls in 00-04. Beetles… ALL of these had about 5 pounds of stuff on the key ring… When you have a flat key, the distance from the ignition cylinder to where the key ring attaches is about an inch.. On a flip key it is double that.. If you want to keep your expensive flip key from breaking, don’t load up the key ring..
LOL That is a great point Tim. I forgot all about people doing that.
Looking for key/key-fob for my daughters 2013 beetle with push button start. Can you help?
Your best bet is ordering one from the dealer.
After you get the key, the dealer needs to program it. There are a few non-dealer shops that can do it, but they are VERY few and far between.
Charles, are you saying that if I need an additional key for my 2012 VW Beetle that I should suck it up and purchase it through the dealer? They want to charge $225 for the key and $120 to program the key. I found “VW” keys on Ebay for $50.00. From what you’re saying, “Good Luck” with those keys and having them function properly. Any suggestions for having a functional key purchased and made for less?
Sadly Todd, the is your best bet. It may not be the cheapest, but it will be the best. Unless you just want a key that will not start your car. Then no need to program.
That’s what I figured. Thought it was worth asking. Thanks for letting me know and keeping me from wasting more of my time and money.
I have a 2013 jetta gli autobahn with push start.
recently lost the key fob.
what is the best way to replace it?
Sadly that is a dealer only thing. Was that your only key? If so you will need to have the car towed to the dealer and programmed.
can anyone tell me where I can get a key for my vw bora 2002 (without being robbed)?. I lost the spare key and just wanted another one.
We are told that these key things are meant to protect us from auto thieves but what is to protect us from the dealers? If the free market is allowed to work, the after market will eventually move in to fill the need for affordable solutions to key replacement. A lot of these older cars are simply not worth replacing their keys at the dealer prices. Consider this when purchasing a used automobile! If you are an antropreneur, this may be your Day!
Hi @Charles, been reading the string of comments above. You’ve been so helpful to so many people. Hoping you can help me too. I have a 2002 beetle, bought used with only one key. The car won’t start – mechanic says the code reads engine start blocked by immobilizer. If I buy a key fob, how much do you charge for cutting and programming? I live in CA and weighing my cost options.
Hey Charles,I’m glad I found you. I just bought a 2005 vw jetta with one key, no remote. The car starts and run, but I cannot lock the door with the key. I will like a new set of keys with a remote.Can you help? Thanks.
I bought a 2015 Jetta. It has a push button start. When I test drove the car the display read “no key”. I bought the car and the dealer changed the battery to the remote. But it still says “no key” even bough the remote key has a new battery. To start the car I have to push the start button and put the key near the steering column. Is the key bad?
I have been cleaning out drawers and found two VW keys. My last VW was a Tiguan. I am not buying VWs anymore but hate to throw away the keys. Where can I send them?
If they are the 2 part keys, you can take the remotes off and sell them. But the keys are really not good for anyone other than the person with the car they are cut for.
By 2 parts do you mean the flip key?
Do you still have the keys Tara?
I have a Tiguan and have lost the keys.
Hey Charles…. you offer great advice. I appreciate your honesty.
I have a 2003 Passat with only one flip key. The key works great to open the doors (manually) but the remote part does not work. The key starts the engine just fine (so the immob tic-tac works fine) I am interested in replacing the aged/cracked case for the flip key. All the internals I think probably still work fine. Where do you recommend I go to buy a replacement 4-button case that is the right shape for my flip key?
Can used original key from Ebay be programmed for a 2015 GTI with keyless entry?
You can try , but I have had bad luck with EBAY keys. I have never tried one on a 2015. But I can tell you, programming MK7 GTI keys can be a pain when it’s a VW factory key.
Can your dealership also cut a blank key? Do you work for Leith? I’m located in Raleigh.
Hi, please help me, i’m from iran, i have a vollexvagon passat and i lost my key and now its the 11th day that the vehicle dosen’t work, i took it to a mechanic but they can do nothing, please help me, please, please
I have a 2002 Volkswagen Passat I have one keys to the car it starts the car,unlocks doors,but it doesn’t unlock the trunk..Will I be charged $300.00 for another key….
I have a 2002 Volkswagen Passat my key starts the car up,unlocks doors,but when you push to open the trunk it doesn’t work..Will I have to pay $300.00 for another key because I only have one keys that came with the car?????????
I bought a 2008 Volkswagen Passat at auction with no keys. I ordered the key through the dealership when it came in I had the car towed to them. It has been a week and they are busy and so far they say when they tried to program it all the dashboard lights came on and flickered like crazy. They want to trouble shoot it at 100.00 an hour. Is this unusual or are they just taking me for more money.
my key starts my car but will not stay running. Will have go to dealer an pay 300 for a key? thanks i have a 2008 gti
Charles, Getting ready to turn in my daughters lease 2013 VW beetle convertible 2.0 TDI and lost the second FOB key. In my file for the car, I still have the less than 1/2 inch rectangle metal piece. Can I get a second FOB key without via you or ebay or anyone with the electronics inside or must I buy thru the dealer? I am hoping that little metal piece is helpful?
I have a Key fob for a 2013 jetta that hasn’t been programmed, would I be able to swap the physical key out, and program it for my ’02 jetta?
I have a 2014 Beetle. I normally keep a spare key on my car just in case I get locked out. What would you recommend as a low-cost solution to open the door and run the car, should my key get misplaced?
I have a key where the key-blade has separated from the black plastic part (fractured key-blade holder). Should be a common problem due o a weak design. I was still able to start the car turning the key-blade with pliers, holding the plastic part close to the lock, which seems logical reading the description above.
Has anyone found a way to make a nice repair or a way to keep using such a broken key?
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Just bought a 2009 VW Jetta. Only came with one key. Passenger door will not lock. The driver door only locks with key manually. Found a locksmith who says they can make a spare for me with a fob for 135.00 I’m afraid it won’t work since you have to manually lock driver door. Any thoughts??
HELP PLEASE!!!!!!! We have a 2002 be non turbo beetle. We only got a valet key when we bought it. We lost the key almost a week ago. We had a locksmith come out and he got the key it will unlock the doors but that’s it. He tried everything And couldn’t get it programmed so had to pay 80 bucks for the key and towed it to the most reputable vw dealership in greenville sc. Now they said that key couldn’t be programed. They order another New key and it came in today. Well it can’t be programmed either. They act like they don’t know what to do. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance god bless.
Hi–I have 2000 Jetta turbo. I have only one key (on the key fob–no valet key). What is the cheapest way to get a spare key?
Can you get a key without a fob so it just opens the door?
I kayak and don’t want to carry the fob with me because its probably going to get wet.
So, I would use the key to open the door and then perhaps leave the fob hidden in the car so i could then start the car?
This is what I have done on my previous non VW car and it worked well.
Yes you can. They are still pricey to buy and then have cut. I was quoted $90.
We have a 2006 Jetta, bought with only 1 key and now it is not working. Which means the ignition and nothing works.
Can you help us in San Diego? firstname.lastname@example.org. Do not have hundreds to spend on this. We need this car to get through another 1.5 teenagers! It is adorable, safe, and fun to drive, but this key thing is some serious BS.
So how much does it cost to program the original key to the car when the immobiliser is activated? In south African rants
This is all German made VW BS….there’s no way any make of car key should cost $300….another reason never to buy a German or other Euro vehicle…..US, Japan and Korean vehicles all have similar or better anti theft technology and none of them have any where near this expensive cost for a replacement key….all the automotive locksmiths I’ve talked to say VW is the worst and the most expensive…..don’t buy VW……
I have a VW 2010 Jetta. My mom lost my Valet key so I wanted to get another key and dealership says at least $300; Is that the only option?
2nd Question: I have a back door that for whatever reason stopped locking. The whole car will locked but the backdoor closes but doesn’t lock. Is that an expensive fix? I considered letting the dealership handle it but I don’t know how much something like that could cost.
I have a 2001 vw jetta vr6 automatic I lost my key is there a place I can have a cut key already made and I could program it myself please get ahold of my phone number is 503-433-3665
By now, you probably have this resolved. If not, this is the place I used way back in 2013. Not only were they able to cut and reprogram keys, they were able to retrieve my 4-digit PIN number for Immobilizer access from VCDS!
AA Express Car Openers – 503.251.2751
110 SE 97th Street
Portland, OR 97216
I think the key is expensive because of its worth, which means it is very comfortable to use. I saw many companies are giving a lifetime warranty for it.
Turbonium!? Wow! That is a blast from the past! I remember the Turbonium Beetle website with the VW Beetle at the center of the atom. It looked like a fun marketing idea. Unfortunately, the Turbonium Beetle was withdrawn from before it came to market. Fun Fact: For awhile, VW was selling off accessories for the Turbonium Beetle. You could buy the pinstripes for the bottom of the door that had the “Tb” from the Periodic Table of the Volkswagens.
I used a lot of car keys but this one is perfect, with good battery life.
Volkswagen key is equipped with an anti-theft device inside called Immobilizer. That is a great security feature that’s why they are charging the high price.
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What is the little red light on the key fob for?
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I was given a 02 Jetta with a 2.0 and 5 speed and my buddy had lost the key but got a new eco and key but didnt know how to program it but the big problem is were it’s at it has to be moved in like asap or I lose it and I have no income and cant afford to get it programmed or afford a tow so my questions are can I program it my self or is there a way to bypass the chipped system along with the ignition and get it to be drivable I dont care if I have to start it with a screwdriver I just want to be able to drive it to be able to work so I can afford to get it fixed properly